Eighteen Months Since Leaving The New Kadampa Tradition

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Hi all,

I recently wrote a message to a friend and I decided to post it here. I don’t know if it will be of interest but I do think that it can be beneficial to read about where people who have left NKT are at. Anyway, so here it is.

Thanks for your message that you sent a while ago. I’m sorry I didn’t respond earlier, it’s just that I didn’t really know how to put into words the way I feel about NKT and spirituality in general. But this evening, for some reason, a few ideas occurred to me of how I can describe my current position, so I thought I would take the time to write to you while it’s all fresh in my mind.

Before I got into NKT, as I may have told you, I spent a few years involved with Chi Kung and other sorts of alternative spirituality – chakras, chi, higher selves, spirits, healing, astral travelling, and so on. I followed (I suppose you could call it that) a mentor who was talented and charismatic yet also highly volatile. Under his influence, I spent several years with the attitude that spirituality involved gaining new extrasensory experiences, learning to see energy, heal people, and so on. But the mentor that I followed, while seemingly spiritually advanced in those terms, ultimately proved to be quite a nasty piece of work, prone to heavy drinking, fighting, using prostitutes and a quite insidious manipulation of those close to him. As it turned out his psychic abilities were bound up more with the fragility of his ego anything else, and the combination was a potent and dangerous cocktail. So the whole thing blew up in my face, my mentor and I parted ways (when he began to threaten to kill me), and I floated around for a while before encountering NKT. I was quite young, then, too, only nineteen.

I remember very clearly that one of the main things that attracted me to NKT was, as it appeared to me then, its ethical and moral core. From the very beginning I felt that while there was a powerful energy surrounding the centres which could provide intense spiritual experiences, these things were not the main goal of practice. They were not to be taken too seriously; the focus was on maintaining a high ethical standard in daily life and working towards the ultimate goal of enlightenment, following the humble example of Je Tsonkhapa who forbade the demonstration of miracle powers, instead emphasising moral living and setting a good example. I had already realised that my previous mentor, for all his `spiritual’ abilities, was morally bankrupt and actually would have been better off with no spirituality at all. NKT, on the other hand, seemed to have its priorities straight. It seemed perfect. So I went in at the deep end, falling head-over-heels in love with the Kadam Dharma. Nobody mentioned the schism with the Dalai Lama which had come to a head in demonstrations just eighteen months before; by the time I found out about them I had already invested too much in NKT. While I was troubled by the conflict, by this time I needed NKT too much to turn back. Instead I managed to persuade myself that – against my intuition – the odd explanations that I was provided with by members of the organisation were actually wise and just.

So. Fast forward a decade or so, and I’ve left the NKT. Looking back, I had a lot of wonderful times during my period as a practitioner. The bliss of tantric practice is something that still moves me, as well as the Lam Rim and Mahamudra meditations. I formed deep and significant friendships and had a strong underlying sense that my life had acquired a greater meaning. Because of this, it is difficult sometimes for me to reconcile these memories with the fact that I have left it all behind, and not only that, I have become very critical of NKT. It is even more difficult to explain my reasons for leaving to someone who is still in love with the tradition. This evening, however, I was struck by the parallel between my old mentor and NKT, and I thought that’s a good way to express it; for all the extraordinary experiences that NKT can offer, ultimately a set of true moral principles is lacking throughout the organisation and this renders all the positive aspects irrelevant.

This may seem a strange statement considering the great emphasis within NKT on moral discipline, cherishing others and so on. But it is clear to me that while NKT makes these sweeping altruistic gestures on the outside, at its core is something rather different. Under the highly-polished surface lies ingrained sectarianism and a disparaging view of all other forms of spirituality; an expansionist drive that uses the energy of new recruits to spread the message with no concern for their burnout; a cultish dependency on the word and approval of the leader and an abdication of critical thought that is actively encouraged; and a systematic, widespread rash of sexual, emotional and financial abuse practised by those in positions of power. Ironically enough, it is the humble practitioners who are not involved in running the show that tend to be kinder, less judgemental and more open-minded. The further you travel to the heart of the NKT, the more you are twisted – in the name of enlightened principles – into the very opposite of what it is supposed to be about. And you don’t even realise it’s happening. Until it’s too late.

On reflection I do not feel that I was as badly afflicted as many. Although I had a reasonably senior standing in my centre, I did not get ordained so never became a Resident Teacher or anything. This meant that although admittedly my moral life was tainted by the negativity of NKT culture to some extent, I didn’t undergo the full transformation that many good men and women are subjected to once they have given over their lives fully to the Guru. Perhaps that is why it took so long for the penny to drop. But when it did, I had no option but to leave.

Now, more than eighteen months since leaving NKT, I am still without a significant spiritual life. I find the notion of faith problematic. It seems to me that faith is tantamount to believing what has not been demonstrated to you, because someone you respect has said it. This, to me, seems to undercut one’s own powers of critical reflection and leaves one in a position which is extremely vulnerable to manipulation. I am, of course, open to the idea of developing respect for someone else to the extent that you take their views seriously. But that person has to earn your respect rather than be awarded it because they state they deserve it. And what is the point of actively developing faith when it grows naturally if someone wins your respect through their actual good qualities? I think that if someone is encouraging you to develop faith, the only reason can be that they are not truly worthy of that faith. Otherwise you would have it naturally in the first place and it would not need to be mentioned at all.

Moreover, given the powerful role of psychological drives in attracting me to and keeping me in NKT, I have a large question-mark in my mind with regard to the existence of any form of higher power and ‘hidden objects’. Doubtless I have experienced the power of the Buddhas and NKT practices; but could this not be a psychosomatic? In truth I do not know, this issue is very unresolved for me.

Finally, I think that the moral vows that NKT encouraged us to take upon ourselves all too often served to stunt our moral awareness rather than enhance it. After all, it is easy to adhere to a rigid code (for a certain length of time at least), but it is difficult to meet each situation with nothing but one’s own moral compass to rely on. And I think it is the latter that leads to spiritual development, however many mistakes one might make.

There is, of course, a lot more that could be said, and I hope we are able to exchange views on the subject. But for now I’m going to leave it there.

For More See

Written by a member of the New Kadampa Survivors. Posted with his kind permission.

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Comments

  1. Jigje says:

    Dear Tenpel,

    Though this was written some time ago, I am only now reading it for the first time. I found your post very well written and very informative. I think it is extremely important to hear from people like you who were involved with the NKT for some period of time and who eventually left. Also important to hear why you were drawn to it in the first place and what impressed you at the outset that drew you in. I think the journey of “awakening” to the darker side of the NKT you chronicle was also enlightening. How unfortunate that this was your first exposure to Buddhism. Your story is a testament to the lasting damage done to those like you by teachers and groups such as this one.

    Sadly, the NKT functions more as a cult than a legitimate dharma organization.

    Though you say that you did not suffer as much damage as some who made a deeper commitment, you were still, at the time of your posting, bereft of finding a healthy alternative to the NKT. The faith, it seems to me, that the NKT wants to instill in it’s member is essentially blind. Critical reflection is always necessary and anytime one finds oneself in a group or situation where it is squelched or discouraged should be a red light.

    Given Geshe Gyatso’s past, i.e., his takeover of Lama Yeshe’s Manjusri Institute, his adamant pursuit and dissemination of Shugden, his maligning of HHDL, expulsion from Sera Monastery, etc. it seems to me that whatever “power” you experienced at the NKT can only be regarded as corrupt and sullied.

    I hope since your posting you have managed to find a legitimate Buddhist path and are continuing to heal from this very unfortunate experience!

    Best wishes!

    • tenpel says:

      Dear Jigie, thank you for your compassion and your thoughts! But actual this is the story of a British person who kindly allowed me to be put his story on the blog. I was touched by the writing style and the content of the post too. It was originally posted in the New Kadampa Survivors Forum.

      • Jigje says:

        Dear Tenpel,

        I didn’t think this story was about you specifically, only that perhaps you shared the same name. It would be great to get another update on where he stands currently. Clearly, in his case, the damage done was substantial.

  2. tenpel says:

    Dear Jigie, I’ve asked the person if he/she wants reply to you. I feel I should not reply, cause this was not written by me. Very best, Tenzin

    • Jigje says:

      Dear Tenzin,

      What a great idea! Hopefully, his/her reply will get posted here where others can read it and reply if so moved. After all, those (like yourself and our anonymous poster above) who were actively involved with the NKT and who eventually defected are the ones, more than those of us on the “outside,” whose words carry the most weight. It’s the difference between writing about a country one has never visited and writing from the experience of actually being there.

      Tashi Delegs,
      Jigje
      Jigje

  3. Samuel Shimaru says:

    Hi all,
    I am sorry that you had a bad experience during the time you were ( more or less ) involved with NKT.
    I have been involved with NKT for a while myself and so I think I can talk about some issues you mention.
    First of all I have to disagree strongly about something you say in your post, you say that the core of NKT, senior resident teachers and so forth do not care for new recruits and they use them to spread the message, expand the NKT tradition and other stuff like that. You say they do not care if they burn out and you also say there is abuse of different sorts.
    Now I know some NKT senior resident teachers and other practitioners and I can really say that THEY DO CARE for their disciples a lot, THEY HAVE STRONG COMPASSION for them ( as well as for all beings ) and THEY WISH TO HELP THEM FIND PERMANET FREEDOM from suffering. It is IMPOSSIBLE to believe that NKT senior teacher abuse others systematically, I really do not know what made you say or believe such a thing.

    Senior NKT teachers, Geshe Kelsang included never asks anyone to follow him blindly. He wants disciples to develop faith based on personal experience and the reason is that faith WILL NOT GROW NATURALLY as you say. The only thing that tends to appear naturally in our minds is Doubt which is one of the six root delusions, and it demands the cultivation of Faith.
    You have not mentioned the fact that many senior teachers have not abandoned the NKT, on the contrary they are as involved as ever and they continue to work for the benefit of all beings in a most meritorious manner.
    NKT has as you say spread throughout the world greatly and this is helping many beings even if we have tough experiences along the way.

    This indeed means that something at the core of NKT as you say is so pure and true that is indestructible. I believe it is Buddha´s unsurpassed heart of compassion guided by a supremely pure motivation to help others.

    Hope you all come to experience great uninterrupted happiness through your spiritual paths whatever these are and that you finally reach enlightenment.

    • fleadle says:

      This is the first time I read this account and it is well written,sensitive and fair.Whatever your experience Samuel it doesn’t change other’s. I was in the NKT for 10 years and I became very sick,dispite this my teacher showed me no sympathy was accused of faking even though I have Chrones disease. I was never encouraged to rest and made to feel like a selfish git when . I was too sick to work. This was not isolated I saw many practitioners burn out and the teacher’s who should have protected them encouraged this martyrdom behaviour. All that mattered was spreading the teachings getting more students in and money of course. It’s hard to see the systemic abuse until your right in the inner circle then leaving is hard because you have been so isolated from the outside world all you have is the NKT. When I left I went from being in and out of hospital monthly to no hospital visits in just 3 months the secret? I rested,looked after myself and listened to my spiritual and intuitive self all the things the NKT slowly discourage,not in the book’s or teachings but behind closed doors. You may have had a different experience but it doesn’t mean yours is right and others is wrong.Abuse is part of the NKT,count yourself lucky it hadn’t effected you yet,I hope you never do.

    • tenpel says:

      I just recognized your comment Samuel (after approving Fleadle’s).

      What you write is for me the classical NKT insider follower perspective: NKT can’t be wrong, Geshe-la can’t be wrong. Then there are thoughts developed that approve this belief without openness to a true unbiased investigation: Is it really like this? What speaks for and against it? Why is it like this? etc.

      NKT is a total self-referential system which serves as a means to circle in thoughts that keep the people in the group and undermine critical thinking.
      It’s true that Geshe-la said from time to time one should not follow him blindly but this statement must be seen in context: is it really applied? Is his message consistent? If you look more deeply the message is not consistent and is rather a trick to claim open investigation / openness while in the system of NKT open investigation (that is open to all outcomes of an analysis, including that NKT / Geshe-la are deceptive) is thoroughly undermined.

      These are just claims what I say. Here are my arguments to prove these claims:
      You find in the writings of Geshe-la statements that are in contradiction to open and unbiased investigation, for instance he urged his followers to be “like a wise blind person”:

      “unwavering faith and confidence” and “it is essential to eliminate those doubts that interfere with the development of pure faith.”[18] Faith he explains is “a naturally virtuous mind that functions mainly to oppose the perception of faults in its observed object.” “In particular, our ability to rely completely upon our spiritual guide depends upon having faith based on conviction that our spiritual guide is a buddha.” and “We should be like a wise blind person who relies totally upon one trusted guide instead of attempting to follow a number of people at once.”

      Geshe-la wrongly explains that faith would basically mean “to oppose the perception of faults in its observed object” which is a narrowed and self-made explanation that leaves out the fullness and vastness of the real definition and understanding of faith. A claim that faith would have the function “to oppose the perception of faults in its observed object” is also contrary to the teachings, because faith has the meaning to see the really existing qualities (and faults) in its observed object. This seeing goes along with wisdom that is able to discriminate really existing faults and qualities and their functions of an observed object and is therefore not “blind”. Moreover, it is wisdom which overcomes doubt and not faith, and doubts are not necessarily deluded, they can be correct too – though they are not counted as valid cognizers they can still refer to the truth / existing facts. Faith, moreover, should be based on reasoning (wisdom) because otherwise it’s not stable.

      Now in NKT the explanation of faith and its application is not only simplistic but also misleading. To pin point what I claim:
      The distorted understanding within NKT goes as follows: Seeing faults in the NKT or Geshe-la is not faith, it’s contrary to faith because it sees faults in its object. Seeing faults in the NKT or Geshe-la is “doubt going in the wrong direction”. Without faith I cannot attain any realization hence I must overcome to see faults in NKT or Geshe-la because this seeing of faults undermines my wish for realizations. “Doubt going in the wrong direction” also undermines my goal, hence I must stop seeing faults in NKT or Geshe-la.

      This is a type of mental brainwashing that keeps the NKT followers in the NKT.

      The real application of the Dharma is to investigate unbiased (without attachment or aversion to any point of view or school of thought) if it is so or other both or neither. If the NKT is a system that is contrary or in accordance with the teachings can be understood and seen if the student has the qualities that the scripture demand from him:

      The defining characteristics of the student who relies upon the teacher

      Aryadeva states in his Four Hundred Stanzas (Catuh-sataka):

      “It is said that one who is non-partisan, intelligent, and diligent
      Is a vessel for listening to the teachings.
      The good qualities of the instructor do not appear otherwise
      Nor do those of fellow listeners.”

      Aryadeva says that one who is endowed with the three qualities is suitable to listen to the teachings. He also says that if you have all these qualities, the good qualities of one who instructs you in the teachings will appear as good qualities, not as faults. In addition, he says that to such a fully qualified person the good qualities of fellow listeners will also appear as good qualities and not as faults.

      It is stated in Candrakirti’s commentary that if you, the listener, do not have all these defining characteristics of a suitable recipient of the teachings, then the influence of your own faults will cause even an extremely pure teacher who instructs you in the teachings to appear to have faults. Furthermore, you will consider the faults of the one who explains the teachings to be good qualities. Therefore, although you might find a teacher who has all the defining characteristics, it may be difficult to recognize their presence.

      Thus, it is necessary for the disciple to have these three characteristics in their entirety in order to recognize that the teacher has all the defining characteristics and in order then to rely on that teacher.

      With respect to these three characteristics, “nonpartisan” means not to take sides. If you are partisan, you will be obstructed by your bias and will not recognize good qualities. Because of this, you will not discover the meaning of good teachings. As Bhavaviveka states in his Heart of the Middle Way (Madhyamaka-hrdaya):

      “Through taking sides the mind is distressed, Whereby you will never know peace.”

      “Taking sides” is to have attachment for your own religious system and hostility toward others’. Look for it in your own mind and then discard it, for it says in the Bodhisattva Vows of Liberation (Bodhi-sattva-pratimoksa):

      “After giving up your own assertions, respect and abide in the texts of the abbot and master.”

      Question: Is just that one characteristic enough?
      Reply: Though non-partisan, if you do not have the mental force to distinguish between correct paths of good explanation and counterfeit paths of false explanation, you are not fit to listen to the teachings. Therefore, you must have the intelligence that understands both of these. By this account you will give up what is unproductive, and then adopt what is productive.

      Question: Are just these two enough?
      Reply: Though having both of these, if, like a drawing of a person who is listening to the teachings, you are inactive, you are not fit to listen to the teachings. Therefore, you must have great diligence. Candrakirti’s commentary says “After adding the three qualities of the student to the two qualities of being focused and having respect for the teaching and its instructor, there are a total of five qualities.”

      Then, these five qualities can be reduced to four:
      (1) striving very diligently at the teaching,
      (2) focusing the mind well when listening to the teaching,
      (3) having great respect for the teaching and its instructor, and
      (4) discarding bad explanations and retaining good explanations.

      Having intelligence is the favourable condition that gives rise to these. Being non-partisan gets rid of the unfavourable condition of taking sides.

      Investigate whether these attributes that make you suitable to be led by a guru are complete; if they are complete, cultivate delight. If they are incomplete, you must make an effort to obtain the causes that will complete them before your next life. Therefore, know these qualities of a listener. If you do not know their defining characteristics, you will not engage in an investigation to see whether they are complete, and will thereby ruin your great purpose.

      (Je Tsongkhapa in Lam Rim Chen Mo, p. 75ff, Snow Lion Publications)

  4. Anon says:

    I only have a simple question or two. Samuel. Do you have any experience of Dharma outside the NKT , have you studied with any nonNKT teachers, have you studied any texts by anyone else other than KG and finally, how long have you spent considering the possibility that any of the criticisms leveled at the NKT and which ones do you consider valid? I think that’s 6 all together
    Looking forward to your response

  5. Anon says:

    Samuel Shimaru-sorry! still no answer but i think we know how he wouldve answered anyway

  6. john swainson says:

    Radio today had an article about meditation in schools highlighting St James School in London. Being a nosy bugger I researched it and found….

    http://reference.ses-forums.org/?p=201

    The point being the BBC have highlighted a school which has questionable connections.

  7. john swainson says:
    • Anon says:

      Will KG be moving to LA now he’s got a foothold on the minor celebrities ladder? Think of the money he could make…..and all that profitable real estate!

      • tenpel says:

        Fishing wounded souls into the NKT

        It appears the NKT whisperers are already on her (see comment section):

        Excellent choice for a book, Jenni. The true source of happiness is inner peace as written in Eight Steps To Happiness. Best wishes to you!

        the poster, RGNYC, never added any comment to the magazine. Member Since: 15/3/2013 – the day of the comment.

        It is a beautiful book! Loving kindness helps everything and everyone, not just our self. Seems Jennie has wisdom.

        the poster, clownchef, never added any comment to the magazine. Member Since: 15/3/2013 – the day of the comment.

        Excellent choice for a book, Jenni. The true source of happiness is inner peace as written in Eight Steps To Happiness. Best wishes to you!

        the poster, Venerable Lady, added only one other comment to the magazine. Member Since: 29/8/2009.

        You couldn’t have chosen a better book, Jenni!! Wishing you lasting happiness and inner peace.

        the poster, Lesly Weiner, never added any comment to the magazine. Member since 14/3/2013 – the day of the comment.

        Four from five comments praise the book but not the text by Langri Tangpa.

    • tenpel says:

      Good. The book is all in all good. I liked it. Though it has also a dogmatic style, there are many useful thoughts in it.
      However, this is of course not in the book:

      “Jennie recently told Health.com that she believes the trick behind staying healthy and happy is positive thinking, constantly praising herself with ‘I love you’.”

      • Anon says:

        How dare anyone suggest for a moment that KG and the NKT are transforming the precious Dharma into a New Age philosophy aimed at achieving this lifes happiness (Ditto praying to DS for all the conditions for ‘successful practice’ (ie $$$$$$$) and courses designed for helping with ‘relationship problems’-What next, ‘Buddhism for ethnic minorities’?)
        They say you shouldnt try and make a silk purse out of a sows ear. How about not making a sows ear out of a silk purse??

        • tenpel says:

          As far as I know NKT, though money plays an important and too overstressed role the key behind the missionary drive is rather that only NKT and Geshe-la are pure enough to bestow salvation, and that it’s the NKT follower’s and “Geshe-la’s” duty to spread “the Dharma” [NKT] into “every corner of the world”.

  8. john swainson says:

    Better not let Jennie see this .

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/103142339/The-Yellow-Book

    • tenpel says:

      Classical NKT style of proselytising: ‘Oh Jennie, you have so much wisdom. This is an excellent book. You couldn’t chose a better one. How fortunate you are. How much good merit you have to have met the pure tradition of Je Tsongkhapa! There are many other good books by the same author by the way. You might want to have a look into them too. There are also many good courses from a beginner level to advanced level, you could join to learn meditation.’ … Jennie might then enter NKT and she might turn out as recently a concerned daughter reported about her mother (asking for help) on New Kadampa Survivors: “She started out as a kind of seeker … She now attends weekly […] NKT cources in […] and is increasingly committed to the NKT, to the extent that she will not read or be open to any other traditions (whereas she used to be a very open and spiritual person) and seems to believe that Kelsang Gyatso is a kind of living god.” (I cannot quote more to protect privacy but it might be ok to just give a brief anonymous glimpse of what can happen to people entering NKT. She also reported how the mother is less compassionate than before she entered NKT, how badly she speaks about the Dalai Lama etc.)

      —-

      BTW, the Yellow book seems to be the same version as I put it here:
      https://thedorjeshugdengroup.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/sectarian-rivalry-the-yellow-book-by-zimey-rinpoche/

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